Sunday, 24 April 2011

Arabs were attacking Jews and Christians in the 1800's too!

Arguments:

The famous author John Steinbeck had a grandfather who was attacked in "palestine" while living on the Dickson farm. His name was Johnny Grossteinbeck and his brother Frederick was attacked by 5 Arabs on January 11, 1858, one year after the famous Herman Melville had left his home there.
Know your history!

Rebuttal:
So what? One man was attacked? Unfortunate, yes, but it could ust as easily have happened to him in the city of London.
You don't need history to figure that out. One mugging does not a pogrom make

Palestinian terrorism since 1929. It's not the occupation stupid

Argument: Palestinian kill Israeli children regardless of, not because of the occupation, which started only in 1967.

Rebuttal: Of course it's the occupation.

By 1929, European immigrant weer already arrivign and declaring their intentiona to drive out the Palestinian from the territory.

Have a look at the murder of the rightous orthodox jew Jacob Israƫl de Haan, which happened June 30, 1924.

Instantly unknown Palestinian terrorists were blamed for that murder. Jews were running wild at that time to take revenge for that cruel murder.

And guess what?

Decades later it turned out, that the assassin was named Avraham Tehomi - and he was a mmber of a jewish terrorist organization named Haganah.

The Peel report and Palestine

Argument: The Peel report and many other confirmed statistics, such as the fact that "Palestinian" Arabs owned less than 7% of land while absentee landowners owned land which was sold to Jews.


Rebuttal: False. A survey conducted for the British government revealed that Jews owned less than 7% of land, while Arabs 50%.

Argument: Chapter 9 of the Peel Commission Report backs up the factual history of Arab immigration from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, etc.:


Rebuttal: The passage you quoted made no mention of Arab immigration. it said immigration had increased, but does not state that this was he main contributor to the increased Arab population, which was due to natural growth.

Argument: Furthermore, the Peel Commission admitted that Arabs on the whole, benefited from a growing Jewish presence in the land as they brought economic prosperity and stability to Palestine and its inhabitants.


Rebuttal: That's true to some extent. In March 1911, 150 Palestinian notables cabled the Turkish parliament protesting land sales to Zionist Jews. The governor of Jerusalem, Azmi Bey, responded:

"We are not xenophobes; we welcome all strangers. We are not anti-Semites; we value the economic superiority of the Jews. But no nation, no government could open its arms to groups. . . . aiming to take Palestine from us." (Righteous Victims, p. 62)

Argument: Arab claims that they were displaced from their homes after living there generation after generation for thousands of years were baseless and fabricated.

Rebuttal: The Peel Commission was concluded in 1936. The displacement, expulsion and l;and theft took place between 1947 and 1948.


Most Arabs living in Palestine prior to 1948 were born there. Very few came from Arab lands.

History doesn't lie, even though you do.

Because Palestinians didn't exist prior to 1964 when Egypt created the PLO

Argument: Because they didn't exist prior to 1964 when Egypt created the PLO

Rebuttal: False. A Ben Gurion pointed out in the 1930's, the Palestinians were a nation. In 1905 during the Zionist Congress convention at Bessel (Switzerland) a Palestinian Jew, Yitzhak Epstein 1862-1943, delivered a lecture about the "Arab question" :

"...There is in our beloved land an entire nation, which has occupied it for hundreds of years and has never thought to leave it. . . . "


Argument: Aside from the 1930's aerial photos of Jerusalem, proving the non-existence of "east" Jerusalem, the Arab population increased by 270% while only increasing by 100% in other regions.

Rebuttal: What aerial photos? (no aerial photos of Jerusalem from 1930s exist).




Who were the Arab founders of "Palestine"?

Argument: They didn't exist. It is interesting to note that every piece of currency issued in "palestine" during the 20th century has had Hebrew writing on it (as well as Arabic). 


Rebuttal: Only colonial projects (that require land theft and genocide) are associated with founders.


Palestine was occupied by the Turks prior to WWI, and therafter Palestinian attempts to develop the self government they were promised by the British were undermined by the British who opened Palestine to a flood of new invaders.

Argumnt: Why didn't "Arab Palestine" have their own currency, leaders , history etc.?
  
Rebuttal: They did. In fact, Palestinians had their own passports, currency as as early as 1914, their own cosntitution - something Israel doesn't yet have.


The State of Texas DID have its own currency for a few years, but also had Confederate Greenbacks and American Dollars, none of this has any impact on whether people living in Texas have civil rights.

Pre-1964 Palestinian leaders? Well, there were the Nashashibis, and the Husseinis. Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni the charismatic leader in the 1947 war might have made a difference had he not been killed.



Argument: Why was the PLO created in Egypt, by Egyptians in 1964? It has nothing to do with "palestine".



Rebuttal: Why was Zionism created in Europe? The same reason that the JNF planted trees from Europe no doubt.